Diário de um compulsivo alimentar em busca de saúde

[Guimers 8593]

7 minutos atrás, Daniel Earp disse:

Cara, o pessoal vive falando desse pokoyo, naturau, sei la, quem é essa pessoa? me sinto totalmente perdido nesse assunto kkkk

Um velhinho de 58 anos que fica arrumando treta com a galera no diario dele, por causa de coisa de treino e dieta KKKKKKKKKK foi banido 3x coitado

[Vecchio 4821]

21 minutos atrás, Daniel Earp disse:

Cara, o pessoal vive falando desse pokoyo, naturau, sei la, quem é essa pessoa? me sinto totalmente perdido nesse assunto kkkk

 

Há um fórum, acho que seja mais antigo que este, que tem um fundo de tela amarelo.

 

Ali surgiram personagens deste mundo dos anônimos pelos idos de 2006, 2007. O Pokoyô é um destes. E eu também, acho que lá por 2009 comecei a incomodar por lá também.

 

Mas veja, grandes nomes nasceram nesse meio: Emmanuel Martyres, Leandro Twin, entre outros. E outros como eu e o Pokoyô kkk.

 

O Pokoyô é engraçado porque ele escreve de maneira suntuosa e provoca às vezes - ou sempre - seus interlocutores. A gente sempre levava na brincadeira e colocava ele na brincadeira também. Porém os tempos mudaram. E na ultima aparição dele por aqui a coisa não deu certo: os provocados ficaram meio aborrecidos, ele mesmo andou cruzando uns limites inafiançáveis e, para espanto de muitos, pelo que deu pra entender, aparentemente havia gente levando a sério algumas recomendações dele.

 

Ele vem e vai, fica vagando pela internet, como eu. Ele prometendo uma dieta transformadora para naturais e eu prometendo perder peso. Só que eu não causo tanto trabalho. Daí é mais fácil só ignorar. Por isso vou sobrevivendo.

 

Editado Julho 10, 2021 às 23:01 por Vecchio
pqp... não sabia que não dava pra citar. Porém, já vi muitas vezes citarem o t-nation e a coisa passar tranquila...

[Daniel_E 562]

3 minutos atrás, Vecchio disse:

 

Há um fórum, acho que seja mais antigo que este, que tem um fundo de tela amarelo.

 

Ali surgiram personagens deste mundo dos anônimos pelos idos de 2006, 2007. O Pokoyô é um destes. E eu também, acho que lá por 2009 comecei a incomodar por lá também.

 

Mas veja, grandes nomes nasceram nesse meio: Emmanuel Martyres, Leandro Twin, entre outros. E outros como eu e o Pokoyô kkk.

 

O Pokoyô é engraçado porque ele escreve de maneira suntuosa e provoca às vezes - ou sempre - seus interlocutores. A gente sempre levava na brincadeira e colocava ele na brincadeira também. Porém os tempos mudaram. E na ultima aparição dele por aqui a coisa não deu certo: os provocados ficaram meio aborrecidos, ele mesmo andou cruzando uns limites inafiançáveis e, para espanto de muitos, pelo que deu pra entender, aparentemente havia gente levando a sério algumas recomendações dele.

 

Ele vem e vai, fica vagando pela internet, como eu. Ele prometendo uma dieta transformadora para naturais e eu prometendo perder peso. Só que eu não causo tanto trabalho. Daí é mais fácil só ignorar. Por isso vou sobrevivendo.

 

 

hahaha descobri o forum aqui agora..rsrs de fato o cara parece "peculiar"

[t2ds 2309]

1 hora atrás, Daniel Earp disse:

opa valeu cara, que bom te ver por aqui, faz falta! sobre o joelho valgo, será que realmente isso é ruim? eu percebo que faço isso em todos os estilos de agachamento, embora no front e high bar seja mais proeminente. 

 

 

57 minutos atrás, Daniel Earp disse:

Cara, o pessoal vive falando desse pokoyo, naturau, sei la, quem é essa pessoa? me sinto totalmente perdido nesse assunto kkkk

Um troll, ele estudava os diários pra fazer provocações direcionadas.

 

Editado Julho 10, 2021 às 23:36 por t2ds

[Daniel_E 562]

11 horas atrás, t2ds disse:

 

 

Um troll, ele estudava os diários pra fazer provocações direcionadas.

 

 

opa valeu. pelo que pude depreender do reddit (o artido linkado lá não abre), é algo que idealmente a gente tenta evitar em treino, mas que acaba acontecendo um pouco em % alta ou grinds, certo?

[t2ds 2309]

39 minutos atrás, Daniel Earp disse:

 

opa valeu. pelo que pude depreender do reddit (o artido linkado lá não abre), é algo que idealmente a gente tenta evitar em treino, mas que acaba acontecendo um pouco em % alta ou grinds, certo?

O artigo original abaixo.

https://www.catalystathletics.com/article/1826/Squatting-Valgus-Knees-The-Knees-Out-Cue-Facebook-Coaches/

 

Spoiler

Evidently the most popular term on the internet right now is “valgus”. The legions of keyboard warriors and Facebook coaches have latched on to it and are sanctimoniously eviscerating anyone demonstrating valgus knee movement in the squat, irrespective of the context (e.g. an experienced competitive lifter pushing a maximal effort) and, as is to be expected, irrespective of their own qualifications to opine on the subject. I shouldn’t be surprised, and I suppose I’m not, but my lack of surprise doesn’t mitigate my irritation by the practice.   This was brought back to my attention last night when my lovely wife Aimee posted a video of a few of our female lifters squatting. There was a range of degrees of valgus knee movement, from pronounced to minor, and a number of comments were posted in short order about how terribly these girls were squatting (all of whom are competitive in the sport of weightlifting at the national championship level and who are members of a multiple-time national medalist team).     What We Want   In my books, articles and elsewhere, I have explicitly and emphatically stated that what we want to see in the squat is the thigh and foot aligned; that is, we want the knee neither inside nor outside the corresponding foot. Some minor divergence is probable in many individuals based simply on imperfect anatomy, but the goal is to maintain the proper hinging of the knee without introducing odd torque or other forces it’s not well-equipped to handle.   We want the feet turned out to some degree to open the hips adequately to allow the lifter to sit into full depth with an upright posture. To what degree the feet must be turned out to achieve this is dependent on the body structure of the lifter (and to some degree that lifter’s mobility, although this is a temporary limiter that should be addressed and corrected). Some will need to turn out very little, maybe 5-10 degrees, and some will need to turn out more, possibly as much as 20-30 degrees. Generally speaking, shorter-legged athletes will feel comfortable and be able to achieve a proper bottom position with the feet turned out less (consider this when looking at “proof” that the feet and knees don’t need to be oriented outward using Chinese lifters as models). When looking at a lifter in the bottom of a squat with such a stance, if the thighs are approximately parallel with the feet, the knees could be fairly described as “out”—that is, they are not oriented straight forward. However, the knees being out and being pushed out are two different things.   The ideal alignment of the leg keeps the thigh approximately parallel with the corresponding foot; the knee is neither inside nor outside of the foot.       The “Knees Out” Cue & Ensuing Confusion   If you watch the daily training videos we post of Catalyst Athletics lifters, you’ve likely heard me yelling “knees out” at times to certain lifters. Unfortunately, this cue is often misunderstood and taken out of context to be applied improperly. Additionally, some influential people are actually instructing people to actively push the knees out while squatting irrespective of the starting position of the knees or the overall position of the athlete.   The previous section should have made it clear the position I want my lifters to be in—the thighs approximately in line with the feet. If a lifter is maintaining this relationship during a squat, I’ll never cue them to push their knees out—that would bring the knees outside the feet, which we don’t want. This particular lifter is doing what is ideal and can be left alone to worry about standing up.   In other cases (primarily female lifters), the knees will dive in as the lifter enters the sticking point of the squat. In such a case, I will cue them to push the knees out—they need to work on re-aligning the thigh with the foot to get back to that optimal position.   I’m not using the action of pushing the knees out as a contribution to the recovery of the squat directly as some coaches will (whether correct or not). However, there is a direct and immediate benefit to pushing the knees out from a valgus position during the recovery of a squat—as the knees move inward, the hips tend to move backward, which inclines the lifter’s trunk forward. This posture reduces the ability of that lifter to recover successfully. By pushing the knees out, the hips are able to move back in under the shoulders, bringing the lifter back into a more upright posture. This is why you’ll very often hear me say “Hips in” immediately after “Knees out”—the combination of these actions is intended to correct the loss of upright posture and knee alignment and bring the lifter back into a position to finish the recovery of the squat.     Who is at Risk   Generally, the longer-legged and more female an athlete is, the more likely the tendency for valgus knee movement in the squat. I have heard reams of explanations for the prevalence of the issue in female athletes, and none make sense to me. Some have suggested it’s related to the Q-angle, which tends to be greater in women than men, but considering that the two worst examples of valgus knee movement in my gym are in women with particularly narrow hip structure, I have a hard time getting on board with that. The most popular explanation across both geneders seems to be a lack of strength or activation of the lateral hip rotators and abductors. I can buy that, and I supposed I do on some level, because my approach to correcting the problem is strengthening and activating these muscles. What I do know for certain is that it has nothing to do with flexibility, so get off that one (if a lifter’s knees are aligned during the eccentric movement of the squat, it’s obviously not a mobility problem).   The wider a lifter’s stance and the more turned out the feet, the more concerned I am about the potential consequences of valgus knee movement in the squat, because the divergence from normal knee alignment is greater. That said, generally Olympic weightlifters don’t squat with particularly wide stances, so my concern is fairly limited. This doesn’t mean it’s not something I want to correct in my own lifters; it does mean that I’m not losing sleep over it, and I’m not going to hold a lifter back from getting stronger to spend a year on the questionably effective remediation of the problem.     Correcting the Problem… If You Can   My experience has been that correcting the valgus knee problem completely is impossible short of avoiding heavy squat efforts. I have been able to get some improvement, but my sense is that if an athlete is possessed of the natural valgus tendency, it will always remain, however attenuated through training and practice, and it will become more and more pronounced as the effort of the squat and fatigue increase.   If we accept the idea that the problem is the result of weak or inactive muscles that abduct and externally rotate the femur, the correction would be to strengthen these muscles and teach athletes to better activate them. There are a lot of exercises purported to serve this purpose. Some are downright silly, in league with many of the fancy “core” exercises out there that require more equipment than sense. The ones I will endorse for effectiveness and reasonability (in terms of how likely you are to actually get an athlete to perform them consistently enough for a long enough period of time to actually be effective) are as follows:     1. Mini-band Squats   This is my number-one go-to exercise for this problem because it’s very easy to do, it makes a lot of sense, and it can be done without adding a single second to an athlete’s training session. Wrap a mini-band around the legs just below the knees and squat, resisting the inward pull of the band to keep the knees in line with the feet (not outside the feet, but in line). You can add a pause in the bottom position with an isometric push against the band, or even do reps, allowing the knees to move inward and then pushing them back out into alignment against the band.   The time-saving method is to throw the band on during the athlete’s squat warm-up sets; they have to do those squats anyway, so this just adds another element to those warm-ups without adding additional exercises and the time and energy they require.     2. Pause and 1 ¼ Squats   Pause squats are good for a number of problems, but generally, they’re beneficial for anything related to posture, position or tension in the bottom of a squat. The athlete should control the squat down into the bottom position and hold for three seconds, maintaining tension throughout the legs and trunk. When recovering, the athlete will need to consciously and actively prevent the knees from moving in. Without even specific understanding of how to do this, most athletes will naturally do what’s required, and in this way, train the proper muscles (most wouldn’t be able to activate the right thing even if you told them explicitly what it was). Note that when initiating the recovery from a pause squat, there should not be a bounce added to aid it—that’s partially defeating the purpose of the exercise.   1 ¼ squats in this case should be done at a fairly slow tempo, maintaining tension on the legs throughout the entire movement. Like the pause squat, this really allows the athlete to feel this tension where it needs to be, and slows the movement down enough to allow them to better control the leg movement, meaning they can more easily train what needs to be trained. The athlete should rise to just through the sticking point of the squat on the ¼ movement.     3. X-band or Mini-band Side-Steps   There are a number of variations to this basic type of exercise, all intended to strengthen and activate the lateral glutes. With a mini-band around both ankles, or a full-size band in the X configuration, step to the side relatively slowly, maintaining tension on the supporting leg (you’ll probably feel the glute more on the support leg than the moving leg). You can do a few steps to one direction and then back, or you can step back and forth alternately. You can also step diagonally (forward and out at at 45-degree angle). Do it with both straight and bent knees.     4. Lunge or Single-Leg Squat Variations   Single leg work can be effective for strengthening the muscles that stabilize the hip IF they’re done properly, which they’re very often not. If you’re performing single-leg exercises and allowing valgus knee movement, don’t expect those exercises to correct your valgus knee movement in your squat—you’re just reinforcing the existing problem. If you have the patience and the ambition, you can set up a band around your lead knee in the lunge position originating from the medial side of that leg—that is, if you’re in a right-leg-forward lunge position, wrap a band around the right knee and affix the other end to a post on your left side so you’re forced to resist the inward band tension against the leg (again, working to maintain the alignment of the knee, not pushing it outside the foot).     The Final Word (At Least from Me)   This is a subject that bores me immeasurably, so I avoid discussions of it as much as possible. Hopefully I’ve clarified my thoughts on the matter well enough here that I won’t have to do anything more in the future beyond linking to this article.   I’ll leave you with a few videos for your consideration. One is of Dmitry Klokov, everyone’s current favorite Russian weightlifter. The other is of one of many incredibly strong female Chinese weightlifters. The third is of Ivan Chakarov, one of the strongest squatters in the history of weightlifting (he's doing about triple bodyweight.. for a triple... without even a belt or knee sleeves in this video). All are demonstrating some valgus knee movement in a squat. I provide these videos not to claim that valgus knee movement is desirable, but to suggest that it’s neither entirely avoidable for many athletes, nor is it the terrifyingly dangerous problem that many Facebook coaches would have you believe.   http://youtu.be/4ZiYs8DRnEY?t=1m26s   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ_RupsvpFI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl3Vldo7x4c

 

Editado Julho 11, 2021 às 11:58 por t2ds

[Daniel_E 562]

ontem teve PR no agachamento low bar. 3*155 kg. forma ficou ruim pq rolou um leve grind na última, mas tá valendo.

 

 

[Daniel_E 562]

Hoje teve PR de supino. 3*120 kg.

 

Fiz 3*115 e pareceu que dava mais, e deu.

 

Grind sinistro na última rep, e se fosse competição, não valeria, pois teve um rebote, mas tá valendo.

 

 

[t2ds 2309]

Excelente carga! Preciso aprender usar esse leg drive. O seu parece bem encaixado.

Editado Julho 16, 2021 às 11:54 por t2ds

[Daniel_E 562]

12 minutos atrás, t2ds disse:

Excelente carga! Preciso aprender usar esse leg drive. O seu parece bem encaixado.

 

valeu! leg drive ajuda bem. recomendo.

 

foi estranho que na última rep deu uma pequena cãibra na lombar, isso já aconteceu antes, apenas em reps de carga máxima ou quase máxima.