Beneficios Do Jejum - Brad Pilon

[planeta 5553]

se vc, jantar, dormir, acordar, jejuar, dormir, acordar, pular acfé, e almoçar, dá quase 40 horas

 

exempllo

 

 

dia 1: 20hs, ultima  refeição

dia 2: jejum

dia 3: refeição meio dia

 

42 horas...

 

2x por semana é ok

 

...

bebe bastante agua e as vezes coloca um pouco de sal na agua, ajuda a se sentir melhor

[Argê 49]

Sim, no meu plano eu ficaria mais de 40 horas sem comer duas vezes na semana, essa primeira semana foi até tranquilo. Vou continuar então, vamos ver no que dá. Obrigado pela dica do sal!

[planeta 5553]

jejuns de 40 horas

eu não concordo com uma ou outra conclusão mas é em geral um bom artigo baseado em estudos cientificos

 

 

 

Intermittent Fasting - A Primer ( Part 3 )

Last edited by pklopp; 04-25-2011 at 01:29 PM.After having been successfully fasting for 20 hours on a daily basis, as outlined in part 2, hopefully, everything is going as you intended, and you are seeing and feeling results. At the very least I hope that you are enjoying your liberation from having to eat in accordance with a schedule set by societal convention, rather than in accordance with your goals and priorities. Nevertheless, in spite of your successes, you may be wondering, can we do better?

We have already established that an inter-meal interval of some 20 odd hours is not detrimental to health, quite the opposite, overall health and body composition seem to benefit from such an eating pattern. So, what would happen if we were to increase the interval between meals even further? How far is it prudent to go before we cross the dividing line between fasting and starvation? What would be the impact of doubling the inter-meal interval to 40h? We are actually rather fortunate with respect to answering the question, since every study performed on the effects of starvation on the human metabolism will have necessarily started out with a 40 hour fast. The only real complication will be due to the frequency of data collection, as many studies tend to focus their data collection on the latter phases. Let's see what we can find.

The Impact of the 40 hour fast
 

• Growth Hormone
  Growth hormone is very interesting due to the role that it plays with respect to nutrient availability as energy substrates. Ingesting both glucose and FFAs suppresses GH release, while certain amino acids tend to stimulate secretion. For the purposes of fasting, when exogenous sources of glucose and FFAs fall, GH levels rise to mobilize internal stores of both of these energy substrates. That is, GH promotes increased production of glucose by the liver, increases the breakdown of adipose fat tissue, as well as promoting nitrogen conservation ( protein tissues are spared ). As the bulk of growth hormone tends to be secreted at night, if there were any effect of fasting on GH, we would most likely like to include a fasted night time period in our approach. It turns out that a two day fast results in a five fold increase in the 24-h GH production rate. Essentially, what we're trying to do by extending the fast is to take advantage of the GH secretory burst that happens during the night, 24 hours or so into the fast, indicated with a red arrow in the graph below: 
  
• Free fatty acids
   
  Given that GH production rate increases five fold, we would expect, due to the lipolytic effects of the hormone, to see an increase in the circulating level of FFAs. As you can see from the table below, this is precisely what we observe. Around 32 hours into a fast, the FFA acid concentration in the blood is 3x higher than 8 hours into the fast ( ie an overnight / sleep fast ). 56 hours into the fast, that number has only increased by a further 20% suggesting that we are approaching a limit. The biggest bang for our buck seems therefore to be around 32+ hours. Given that we have all of these FFAs in the bloodstream 32 hours into a fast, it seems reasonable that we need to give the body a chance to oxidize the fats. We achieve this by keeping the fast going. It would undo all of our hard work were we to eat at this point and have the FFAs simply be reabsorbed by adipose tissue.
  
  
   
  The fact that FFA release peaks after two days of fasting is confirmed by the results in another study shown below. Due to the way that these authors labelled their graph, day two of the graph is represented by the line segment between the axis markers labelled "Day 2" and "Day 3".
  
  
   
  We should also pay close attention to the acetoacetate (AA) and beta hydroxybutyrate (BOH) on this graph. Both AA and BOH are ketone bodies produced by hepatic FFA oxidation, which means that, again, as expected, we're burning fat to provide an alternative energy substrate (ketones) for the brain and heart to use in lieu of glucose. Speaking of which, looking at the glucose levels on this graph, we see that during the first day of the fast, the liver can sustain nominal levels from its glycogen stores, but starting with the second day, we start a downward trend. This is significant, because at some point, the body will be forced to enter proteolysis, breaking down protein containing tissues, to provide inputs for gluconeogenesis thereby sacrificing lean mass for brain sustaining glucose. We wish to avoid this state, which will practically limit our fasting to a couple of days at most.
• Cortisol
   
  We expect that Cortisol will trend upward over the course of a fast due to its proteolytic effects - increasing the breakdown of protein to make gluconeogenic substrates like alanine available for conversion to glucose. As the liver exhausts its supply of glycogen, generally within the first day of fasting, available blood glucose levels drop, and it becomes increasingly important to have the proteolytic effects of cortisol kick in. As expected, in the total fasting time graph above, we can see that Cortisol, over time, shows a slight upward trend, but, with respect to the levels at hours 8 and 36, they are roughly equal, suggesting that a fast of this duration is not a metabolic stress inducer, and does not require excessive conversion of protein from tissues as an energy substrate.
• Insulin
   
  For the most part, there is not much to say here. From looking at our graph, we can see that over the course of a fast, insulin levels progressively drop. However, there is a very interesting rebound in insulin levels at the end of the fast, at 84 hours into the study, and here insulin levels rebound to levels seen 16 hours into the fast, but based solely on the anticipation of food!

So, what does all of this mean?

Fundamentally, if you are really concerned with body recomposition, that ultimately translates into burning adipose FFAs to reveal your underlying musculature. In terms of accelerated FFA oxidation, there is no substitute for a multi day fast. The first day of any fast serves to draw down liver glycogen stores. The subsequent days are spent oxidizing FFAs for energy. I would not advise going beyond 40 - 48 hours as you risk entering into the proteolytic zone.

My personal experience, as well as that of others that have done this, is that the second day of a fast is generally easier than the first. I speculate that this is because insulin levels consistently drop as the fast progresses, and accordingly, perceived hunger drops as well. If you have habituated yourself to eating one meal per day in the evening, then a 40 hour fast actually entails merely skipping your one meal. For my part, I do this on a weekly basis.

I think I will leave you with this for the time being. There is a lot to digest here, maybe too much. 

-PK

Editado Maio 28, 2016 às 17:06 por planeta

[Ebtlioev 28]

Estou aderindo o jejum e tenho duvidas se o bicarbonato de sódio, limão e clight vao fazer eu sair do jejum.. sai ou posso tomar de boa?

[Ricardo Queiroz 5760]

5 horas atrás, Fichyzz disse:

Estou aderindo o jejum e tenho duvidas se o bicarbonato de sódio, limão e clight vao fazer eu sair do jejum.. sai ou posso tomar de boa?

Clight é malto, tem uns 3.3g de malto por pacotinho, limão tem uma mixaria de carbo (1.65g) a cada 20g (1/2 limão).

 

Sendo extremista, sim vai te tirar, ou faz jejum de tudo que é calórico ou não é jejum. Boa parte faz o seguinte... já que é jejum que seja 0kcal durante o undereating, assim ficam com sossego na consciência e tem certeza do jejum.

 

Não sendo extremista, não vai te tirar, tem o outro lado, por exemplo, o Martin Berkhan do lg "permite" em seu esquema distribuir uns 5% do seu total de calorias diárias durante o undereating (na média da média ficam em torno de umas 130kcal), contanto que não sejam todas administradas de uma só vez. Ex.: ingerir aos poucos 20-40kcal por vez, colocar um pouco de creme/manteiga no café, beliscar umas tiras de certos vegetais (pepino, pimentão, tomate...) quando está com fome (ou desconforto intestinal, como azia), mascar/comer lascas de gengibre p/ segurar a fome e/ou tirar o bafinho, enfim... aí vai de você.

 

Do mais todas essas coisas já foram debatidas lá no começo do tópico, até sobre mascar trident já perguntaram  XD

[Ebtlioev 28]

Em 05/06/2016 at 05:50, Ricardo Queiroz disse:

Clight é malto, tem uns 3.3g de malto por pacotinho, limão tem uma mixaria de carbo (1.65g) a cada 20g (1/2 limão).

 

Sendo extremista, sim vai te tirar, ou faz jejum de tudo que é calórico ou não é jejum. Boa parte faz o seguinte... já que é jejum que seja 0kcal durante o undereating, assim ficam com sossego na consciência e tem certeza do jejum.

 

Não sendo extremista, não vai te tirar, tem o outro lado, por exemplo, o Martin Berkhan do lg "permite" em seu esquema distribuir uns 5% do seu total de calorias diárias durante o undereating (na média da média ficam em torno de umas 130kcal), contanto que não sejam todas administradas de uma só vez. Ex.: ingerir aos poucos 20-40kcal por vez, colocar um pouco de creme/manteiga no café, beliscar umas tiras de certos vegetais (pepino, pimentão, tomate...) quando está com fome (ou desconforto intestinal, como azia), mascar/comer lascas de gengibre p/ segurar a fome e/ou tirar o bafinho, enfim... aí vai de você.

 

Do mais todas essas coisas já foram debatidas lá no começo do tópico, até sobre mascar trident já perguntaram  XD

Valeuuu.. entao n tem nada q eu possa misturar com água para dar um gostinho e conseguir beber mais do q ja bebo?! Atualmente estou bebendo 4L por dia... queria beber 6L..

[Shanksss 298]

8 horas atrás, Fichyzz disse:

Valeuuu.. entao n tem nada q eu possa misturar com água para dar um gostinho e conseguir beber mais do q ja bebo?! Atualmente estou bebendo 4L por dia... queria beber 6L..

 

Faz chá e adoça..

[planeta 5553]

chá verde

 

só é ruim no início

[planeta 5553]

 

[BigKing 30]

Em 12/06/2016 at 14:42, planeta disse:

 

Planeta, vi que você entende bastante de jejum, e tenho algumas duvidas.

Num jejum 16/8, o uso de Vit C ou Multi vitaminico quebraria o jejum? A auto fagia começa a ocorrer com quantas horas de jejum? Jejuns de 24h + valem a pena, ou são catabolicos?